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1 Monte Lesima, 1724m (pano 20654); 123,3Km
2 Tartago, 1688m
3 Centrale termo-elettrica di Tavazzano
4 Trezzo sull'Adda
5 Monte Carmo, 1640m; 131,4Km
6 Cavalmurone, 1670m
7 Monte Chiappo, 1700m; 123,7Km
8 Monte Ebro, 1701m
9 Cosfrone, 1667m
10 Monte Giarolo, 1473m; 120,7Km
11 Monte Leco, 1072m; 144,5Km
12 Monte Taccone, 1113m; 135,6Km
13 Monte delle Figne, 1172m
14 Monte Tobbio, 1092m; 144,1Km
15 Monte Reisa, 1183m; 162,5Km
16 Duomo di Pavia
17 Monte Beigua, 1287m; 167,9Km
18 Bric dei Gorrei, 829m; 157,7Km
19 (COLLE DI CADIBONA)
20 Monte Settepani, 1386m; 200,5Km
21 Monte Camulera, 1224m; 198,3Km
22 Monte Galero, 1708m; 216,8Km
23 Monte Armetta, 1739m; 221,9Km
24 Torre Telecom di Rozzano
25 Monte Antoroto, 2148m; 218,6Km
26 Pizzo d'Ormea, 2476m, 224,5Km
27 Bric di Canoia, 2521m; 225,8Km
28 Monte Rotondo, 2495m; 225,7Km
29 Monte Mongioie, 2630m; 225,8Km
30 Cima della Brignola, 2472m; 225,2Km
31 Cima delle Saline, 2612m; 228,3Km
32 Mondole', 2382m; 223,1Km
33 Punta Marguareis, 2651m; 230,9Km
34 Vimercate
35 Duomo di Milano
36 Cima della Fascia, 2495m; 232,8Km
37 Torre Breda
38 Pirellone
39 Mont Bego (F), 2872m; 251,5Km
40 Torre Solaria
41 Rocca dell'Abisso, 2755m; 242,7Km
42 MILANO
43 Torre Galfa
44 Torre Unicredit
45 Palazzo Lombardia
46 Monte Clapier, 3045m; 249,6Km
47 Cima Maledia, 3061m; 250,1Km
48 Monte Gelas, 3143m; 250,8Km
49 Torre Isozaki or Torre Allianz or Il Dritto
50 Torre Hadid or Torre Generali or Lo Storto
51 Cima del Baus, 3067m; 251,6Km
52 Cima di Nasta, 3108m; 251,7Km
53 Cima Argentera, 3297m; 250,7Km
54 Asta Soprana, 2948; 248,3Km
55 Cima del Dragonet, 2781m; 248,5Km
56 Testa del Claus, 2897m; 256Km
57 Monte Matto, 3097m; 249,6Km
58 Rocca di Valmana, 3006m; 251,2Km
59 Vignale Monferrato
60 Rocca la Paur, 2972m; 251,4Km
61 Monte Aver, 2745m; 256Km
62 Testa Gias dei Laghi, 2739m; 255,7Km
63 Punta Maladecia 2745m; 255,5Km
64 Monte Canto, 710m

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Location: Roncola (870 m)      by: Giuseppe Marzulli
Area: Italy      Date: 25 December 2019
Or, on the contrary, is where the Alps end and the Apennines begin?

The "Colle di Cadibona", 459 meters, is an important pass in Liguria (province of Savona). Conventionally divides the Alps from the Apennines, specifically the Ligurian Alps from the Ligurian Apennines.
Other nearby areas could be taken to separate the Apennines from the Alps, but, already at the time of the Romans, this pass was considered the limit between the Alpine system and the Apennine system, because in this stretch of the watershed the lowering of the mountain range it is more extensive here than elsewhere.
The one indicated is the direction of the Colle. On the left all the peaks belong to the Apennines, on the right to the Alps.

8 photos; 200mm; f7,1; 1/640 sec.; 200 ISO.

Comments

Fabulous layers in magic light - another spectacular documentation with enormous distances to the mountains!! The skyline of Milano is a nice icing on the cake ... perfectly done, Giuseppe - congrats.

Tanti saluti e una buona settimana,
Hans-Jörg
2020/01/13 09:35 , Hans-Jörg Bäuerle
Thank you very much Hans-Jörg for the friendly comment.
But this pano was an excuse to ask a philosophical question ;-)
At Colle di Cadibona the Alps begin or end?
2020/01/13 10:17 , Giuseppe Marzulli
MA CO GRA PE NA LE RE CA GIU 
e altre artificiositā del genere... Possibili solo in Italia, grazie al nostro innato (anzi, forse assorbito dalle nostre radici greco-romane) senso per i bizantinismi e le analisi!!!
Questa č anche l'occasione per sottolineare come verso Occidente (dell'arco alpino) la parola "colle" indichi una depressione, un "passo", mentre a Oriente descriva indefettibilmente un rilievo. Anche qui, grazie alle ambiguitā latine!!!

Ottima foto, come sempre. Ciao, Alvise
2020/01/13 11:33 , Alvise Bonaldo
WOW!
2020/01/13 12:42 , Dieter Leimkötter
Dear Giuseppe, to be honest, I never thought about the dividing line between the Alps and the Apennines. Wikipedia actually considers that the Col di Carbona is the dividing line.

But I found an interesting article with scientific explanations from the University of Bonn - unfortunately only in German. Here the link and the translation with the help of Deepl - my English is too lousy for the scientific "Gobbledygook" ;-)):

https://www.steinmann.uni-bonn.de/institut/bereiche/endogene-prozesse/arbeitsgruppen/strukturgeologie/lehre/wissen-gratis/geologie-der-alpen

"... The Po basin is closed in the west by the arch of the Western Alps. At the southern end of this arch, the Alps move on into the Apennines. A complex N-S running fault zone (Sestri-Voltaggio line) is assumed as the boundary. At this boundary, the prevailing direction of the overthrust changes: the main overthrusts on the Alpine side are SW-facing, the more recent overthrusts on the Apennine side (from the late Middle Eocene) are NE-facing, so that the Po basin is also the northern foreland basin of the Apennines ...".

Maybe our panorama friend and geologist Matthias Stoffels can add some more helpful information !?

Cheers, Hans-Jörg

NB:
And next time I should read your text a bit more carefully ;-)- you were only interested in the philosophical question whether the Alps begin or end at the Col di Carbona! You have already noticed that there is definitely the dividing line ... omg, mea culpa :-)!!
2020/01/13 12:58 , Hans-Jörg Bäuerle
Excellent!
2020/01/13 13:31 , Jörg Braukmann
@Hans-Jörg
Your summary of the regional geological conditions in the Apennine-Western Alps
area is absolutely correct. Interested people will find more details in this article: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236256889_Geology_of_the_Northern_Apennine-Western_Alps_junction_area_a_regional_review.

Cheers, Matthias.
2020/01/13 13:43 , Matthias Stoffels
I am not a fan of skyscrapers, actually, but Milano looks great within this superb pano.
2020/01/13 16:12 , Arne Rönsch
Thank you very much for the comments. I am happy that there has been talk of geology in the Alps and Apennines and thank Matthias for the interesting link.
But, although probably nobody cares, which I meant, with the philosophical question it is this:
I usually observe the mountains from this position and I spontaneously think that at the Colle di Cadibona the Apennines end and the Alps begin.
But if someone claimed that at the Colle di Cadibona the Alps end and the Apennines begin, would I have valid arguments to argue?
2020/01/13 17:47 , Giuseppe Marzulli
Brilliantly 
Is there not a new beginning at every end?

Cheers Werner
2020/01/13 18:13 , Werner Schelberger
In a sense. What I meant, but it is not important, is that we are used to having our own subjective point of view, which does not necessarily correspond to that of others. We are convinced of our reason, but others are not necessarily wrong ;-)
2020/01/13 18:57 , Giuseppe Marzulli
Solch ein Bild, das zeigt, wie die Apenninen und die Alpen zusammenkommen, habe ich mir schon lange mal gewünscht. Danke, Giuseppe, daß Du das bei diesen weiten Entfernungen auch noch in so hervorragender Weise zeigen konntest.
Und wenn man für das Zusammentreffen einen Einschnitt, den Colle di Cadibona, zwischen diesen Gebirgen nennen kann, dann finde ich das erstmal besser als die Beschreibung der Sestri-Voltaggio-Linie in dem Vorlesungsskript von der Uni Bonn, zumal man da keinen genauen Ort entnehmen kann. Trotzdem danke ich Dir, Hans-Jörg, für den Hinweis darauf, da ich darinnen noch andere interessante Sachen fand. Und vielleicht liegt ja der Colle di Cadibona sogar auf der Linie.

Als eine mögliche Antwort auf die philosophische Frage von Giuseppe fiele mir ein, was ich anfangs schrieb, daß sie dort zusammenkommen, also beide enden. Die beiden Kolosse sind demzufolge aufeinander zugestrebt. Ihre Anfänge liegen weit voneinander entfernt.
2020/01/14 14:33 , Heinz Höra
Thanks Heinz for your comment, which I share. The geological border is probably a little more to the east, but geographically and conventionally the division between the Alps and the Apennines is placed at the Colle di Cadibona.

To the two hypotheses that we have already made, we can add yours: both the Apennines and the Alps end up at Colle di Cadibona. I was hoping someone would say it.
We could also make another one: that both start there.
Does anyone think that one of these four hypotheses is more correct than the others?
2020/01/14 16:15 , Giuseppe Marzulli
A superb combination of beauty, education and philosophy.
Have had a combined view to both the southern Alps and the Ligurian Apennine last week, but with far less beautiful colours and the junction area here was hidden and the Apennine not really panorable. Will end up in my queue for AP.
Cheers, Martin
2020/01/14 20:11 , Martin Kraus
Thanks Martin, I don't think I deserve your compliments.
I continue with my bizarre reasoning and please consider it only a game.
We can only make a total of 4 hypotheses.
At Colle di Cadibona:

Hypothesis 1: The Apennines end and the Alps begin;
hypothesis 2; The Alps end and the Apennines begin;
hypothesis 3: both the Alps and the Apennines end;
hypothesis4: both the Alps and the Apennines begin.

I think that subjectively everyone has a favorite hypothesis. I said mine, Heinz his.
Does anyone think that there is necessarily a more valid hypothesis than the others?
2020/01/14 20:48 , Giuseppe Marzulli
@Giuseppe - I think your limited choice of options is a fallacy of Western culture. Recently I have read some very good books on "ambiguity tolerance": Why not accept that there can be multiple truths at the same time? Medieval Islamic culture was apparently very good at this. Dogmatism and the pre-occupation that there can only be a single truth has been introduced by the West, leading to lots of suffering because it implies that many people are wrong if I am right.
In that sense, this point can be both a beginning and an end of both Apennine and Alps at the same time, dependent on point of view.
Cheers, Martin
2020/01/14 21:05 , Martin Kraus
Premising that I am proud to belong to Western culture, I wanted to reach your own conclusions ;-)
2020/01/14 21:11 , Giuseppe Marzulli
Tutto ha una fine, soltanto la salsiccia ha due... 
The problem discussed here seems to be expression of mankind's wish to structure and name all the things to be found around. Geologists, geographers and historians, politicians, militarians and merchants have done so and do so, as we already have heard. When we take in account all their special interests, they are all right in their own way. Everything is clear to see so far, the question is: How much time would you invest to study all the splittered facts? And would it give the answer? Might be, rather not. Because: The more knowledge, the more classification.
Thats why I would add and support the following claims:

The Ligurian Alps go over into the Ligurian Appenine.
The Ligurian Appenine goes over into the Ligurian Alps.

Without denying the existence of Colle di Cadibona and its roll as well as the differences on its sides, both mountain ranges would be part of a system framing the Po plaine in its typical shape.
Please notice, it is only a claim by me, exceptionally a bit far from facts and science...

Just found another possibility: Alps and Appenine are meeting at Colle di Cadibona. In Italian we could call that: Un matrimonio d´amore.

I can only hope, I stayed understandable in my lousy Google-Translate-English.
Greetings, Wolfgang
2020/01/15 02:21 , Wolfgang Bremer
An impressive combination of these two important European mountain ranges. The location ist great, as your other pictures from there have already shown.
2020/01/16 18:42 , Friedemann Dittrich
Amazing distances! Because of the low inversion the high towers and houses of this big city are looking out of the mist, so this is a great combination with the view.
LG Jörg
2020/01/18 11:36 , Jörg Nitz
@Wolfgang: "Un matrimonio d´amore" - I think, there's no more lovely way to put it in words...

LG Werner
2020/01/19 10:32 , Werner Schelberger

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